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#87239 - 01/09/03 08:22 PM DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hundreds we recieve) (ie: How would you answer this?)
Bryan Offline


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Ok Kids,

Here is a great way to practice your HR skills.

Once a week I will post an email here out of the hundreds we get.

Lets see how you would answer them.

Winner gets a prize :-)

-B
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The next time someone demands that I prove I exist, I am going to tell them that I do not accept existential challenges from figments of my own imagination.

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#87240 - 01/09/03 08:27 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: Bryan]
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Dear Sir,

I'm not much about drugs but when i go to the disco i like having a great time; with the help of your web site i realised last summer i took half a pill wich contained DXM instead of MDMA; it is that pink noname pill; what happens is i do not want to take any drug that generates physical or any pshyhical dependence; i'm really concerned about that. I've taken a pill recently that has a face on it; some say it's a pokemon face; is that real extasy or is it just some other type of drug that is to fool the consumers? i'd rather i quit doing any E instead of messing up and running into fake drugs wich can have a majour impact on my psychic; since i read much of what is written within your web site i am now really concerned and scared of taking any other drugs than extasy by mistake. I only did it a couple of times; the first time, as i told u, i think i took half a fake extasy pill (one of those pink ones) and i did not feel like moveing at all; the second time it was great i danced all night i felt great, everything was excellent ; i was really concious and aware of the things arround me and what i was feelin like was excellent; i am only concerned about the fact i felt nothing for the first 15-20 mins after taking the pill; is that natural? how can i avoid taking fake pills and what is it that i should feel like when being on E? Could i get like a website in order to see how the fake pills look like? I guess you are specialists in what concerns the use and risks of using drugs, aren't you?

I really respect your work and i am greatful to you for the information within website.



I would be so much greatful if provided with an answer over the coming 2 weeks.

Thank you!
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"The best lovers are the ones who can drink you, make you thirst for them, then quench you."

The next time someone demands that I prove I exist, I am going to tell them that I do not accept existential challenges from figments of my own imagination.

"Vergoofin der flicke stoobin mit der brk-brk
yubetcha!" -Swedish Chef

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#87241 - 01/10/03 12:03 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: Bryan]
ThePassenger Offline
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Probably the best way to find out weather your pills are real is with a pill testing kit, which DanceSafe sells (there's a link on the main page). Just pay close attention to the reaction, and you should get accurate results. Unfortunatly, only fancy things like mass spectrometers can tell you exactly what's in the pill, in what amounts.

Almost any pill, from Advil to E will take roughly a half an hour to start having an effect on you. You basically have to wait for your body to start digesting it, so your metabolism and how much you've eaten affect how long it takes for it to hit you. You're normal, don't worry.

Fake pills look pretty much like any other pill. Often they'll look like the really good ones that were going around not too long ago. Best way to find out if the pill is fake, again, is to test it.

Cheers!
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#87242 - 01/10/03 01:41 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: ThePassenger]
JustSayKNOWledge Offline
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The way ecstasy "feels" is subjective to the user and hundreds of variables, but you should feel sort of floaty, awake, and have an appreciation for things you normally would not pay attention to (lights, music, etc...) Also, there are several websites other than dancesafe that can help you avoid fake pills, www.ecstasydata.org has over a thousand pills posted online. If you can't find something similar to the one you have, try www.pillreports.com there they have user comments about experiences with different stamped pills in different portions of the country. Because of the fact drugs are illegal, every time you consume them you are taking a gamble. People will do anything for a buck, especially if there is no regulation of the market. The best way to avoid fake pills is to use an ecstasy adulterant test kit which you can purchase from dancesafe here: http://www.dancesafe.org/testingkits/ those who use test kits swear by them and I've personally never heard anything but positive things about them from people who use them. The ecstasy market allows about a 50/50 chance of getting REAL ecstasy, the investment in the test kit will save you money in the long run. The best part is, they not only save money, they save lives.
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#87243 - 01/11/03 01:17 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: Bryan]
saintjude Offline

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what happens is i do not want to take any drug that generates physical or any pshyhical dependence; i'm really concerned about that.




Your concern isn't entirely warrented. Although anti-drug forces like to describe drug addiction as some animate monster that ambushes and drags off otherwise healthy, normal people after a single taste, that's just not the case. People become dependant through regular use (and, IMO, underlying emotional needs) not just from an isolated exposure. Yes, you might get a dose of methamphetamine or such in an 'ecstasy' pill...but once or twice a month of any drug isn't going to make you dependant.

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the first time, as i told u, i think i took half a fake extasy pill (one of those pink ones) and i did not feel like moveing at all;




It could have been real MDMA. At low doses, it can actually be sedating...the strong stimulant effect emerges at higher doses. (Drugs that increase serotonin levels a little often help people sleep.)

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i am only concerned about the fact i felt nothing for the first 15-20 mins after taking the pill; is that natural?




Actually, about 30-40 minutes is common, with even an hour not unheard of. Taking pills is always slower than smoking, drinking, etc.

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I guess you are specialists in what concerns the use and risks of using drugs, aren't you?




Well...we know more about it than the government or most 'experts' do. Still, most of us aren't actually doctors.

A little advice on pill testing sites: They make things look more grim than they are, because people aren't likely to send in a pill that they think is the real thing (they'll use it!) According to the american DEA, all the 'ecstasy' pills they seized in 2000 did, in fact, contain MDMA (but may not have been pure.) Likewise, people don't normally come here to report when all goes well, just when there was a problem. Things aren't really as bad as they may look.


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#87244 - 01/12/03 02:35 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hundreds we recieve) (ie: How would you answer this?) [Re: Bryan]
caolite Offline
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Oh great lol, I have a response written, but it on my own computer at home and not at me friends house ;(. Lol I guess I will just have to try to get it on here before the week is up.

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#87245 - 01/16/03 06:37 PM DanceSafe Email of the Week #2 [Re: caolite]
Bryan Offline


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Bravo on the first weeks answer! The winner will be announced soon.

Now here is a tricky one.

This page
Youthnoise

Lists quite a few substance abuse and harm reduction sites.

We have had one HUGE debate, and a PSA on us here, brought up by other folks.

Here

And Here (Debate)

How would YOU go about writing a letter to this organization requesting that they provide a link to a non biased drug education site as well as the Anti Drug ones?

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"The best lovers are the ones who can drink you, make you thirst for them, then quench you."

The next time someone demands that I prove I exist, I am going to tell them that I do not accept existential challenges from figments of my own imagination.

"Vergoofin der flicke stoobin mit der brk-brk
yubetcha!" -Swedish Chef

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#87246 - 01/19/03 02:41 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: Bryan]
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what happens is i do not want to take any drug that generates physical or any pshyhical dependence




If he's worried about psychological dependance, he shouldn't take drugs for recreational purposes, period. Regardless of what they are.

There are about 20 people in my rehab group and last week this came up in discussion after one girl was talking about looking into marijuana to replace her cocaine addiction. And sadly the majority of the group did not understand.

Psychological dependancy is not created by the drugs you take. Drugs themselves don't cause it. It's looking for a chemical substance to get high and using that to feel better that causes psychological addiction.

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I've taken a pill recently that has a face on it; some say it's a pokemon face; is that real extasy or is it just some other type of drug that is to fool the consumers?




He needs to get an adulterant testing kit because you cannot know what the contents are a pill are by looking at it.

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i'd rather i quit doing any E instead of messing up and running into fake drugs wich can have a majour impact on my psychic;




Apparently this guy doesn't understand that MDMA itself is not healthy and causes changes and damage to the brain which alter it's everyday functioning.

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i am only concerned about the fact i felt nothing for the first 15-20 mins after taking the pill; is that natural?




The further I'm getting into this, especially with this comment, the more I am really getting the feeling that this letter is made up for someones weird sense of humor.

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Could i get like a website in order to see how the fake pills look like?




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how can i avoid taking fake pills and what is it that i should feel like when being on E?




Why on earth would you take a drug without knowing what it's suppossed to do to you?

Again.. an adulterated pill and a pill contain just MDMA can look exactly the same.

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I really respect your work and i am greatful to you for the information within website.




How can he respect the work if he obviously hasn't read anything here?

All the answers to every question asked are answered dozens of times throughout the site.

This is just someone who shouldn't use drugs at all, ever.







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#87247 - 01/19/03 02:48 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: saintjude]
Masovist Offline
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(Drugs that increase serotonin levels a little often help people sleep.)




That's not at all true. There are dozens of tryptamines that will boost your serotonin levels that all still have a stimulant effect because of what other receptors they work on.

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but once or twice a month of any drug isn't going to make you dependant.




People who do become addicted to drugs usually do not start out using every day.

That once or twice a month can have a psychological impact where the user may start to desire more and more and the use can go from irregular to regular to even daily.

Although it's typically a very long and gradual process that occurs over the span of months and even years.

And some people just never become regular users.

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#87248 - 01/20/03 09:43 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: Masovist]
saintjude Offline

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Masovist is presumed to have said:

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(Drugs that increase serotonin levels a little often help people sleep.)




That's not at all true. There are dozens of tryptamines that will boost your serotonin levels that all still have a stimulant effect because of what other receptors they work on.






I think you'd find it's largely a function of dose and pre-existing condition. 5-HTP has traditionally been taken as a sleep aid, as has the serotonin receptor agonist melatonin. Depression is also associated with trouble sleeping, and can be helped with SSRIs.

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#87249 - 01/22/03 07:52 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: saintjude]
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I'm not much about drugs but when i go to the disco i like having a great time; with the help of your web site i realised last summer i took half a pill wich contained DXM instead of MDMA




This is one of the most dangerous aspects of taking Ecstacy tablets... Unless you know the person that made it or you have it tested you never really know what is in it... Dancesafe provides 'Ecstacy Testing Kits' that you can buy and have shipped to you... It is a simple reagent solution that reacts differently to different substances... Keep in mind that it can only tell you if a substance is present in the tablet... It can not tell you how much...

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what happens is i do not want to take any drug that generates physical or any pshyhical dependence




This is one of the risks of using drugs... If your scared of it then perhaps you should consider not taking drugs recreationally... However unless your using Ecstacy on a regular basis then you probably don't need to worry about this... Your not going to form a physical addiction by taking the drug once and its extremely unlikely that you would form psycological addiction from only taking the drug once...

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I've taken a pill recently that has a face on it; some say it's a pokemon face; is that real extasy or is it just some other type of drug that is to fool the consumers




Unfortunatly there are thousands of different Ecstacy tables floating around and I can not tell you what each and every one of them contain... If your curious you could try looking for your mystery pill here at dancesafe from ones that have been sent in from lab testing or if its not there you could send one in to be tested and wait for the results...

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i am only concerned about the fact i felt nothing for the first 15-20 mins after taking the pill; is that natural? how can i avoid taking fake pills and what is it that i should feel like when being on E?




Tablets are powder pressed into a pill... When you ingest them your body needs to disolve the pill before it can take effect and this is why it takes a while before it comes on... If your stomach is empty the pill will disolve faster than if your stomach was full of food...

I hope this answers all of your questions... If you choose to take Ecstacy please read up about it on this page and at Erowid.org so that you may learn to do it more safely... I say more safely because although we can reduce the risk involved with taking drugs they are never completely safe... All drugs come with inherent risks... Respect your body and your drug...
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#87250 - 01/22/03 10:03 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every week, I will post one email for you all to answer, out of the hundreds we receive) (ie: How would you answer this?) [Re: Bryan]
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I just wanted to edit the thread topic 'subject'. Pet-peeve of mine, but it does communicate a certain attitude (on both my part, and on the part of those who don't take the time to proof-read and spell-check).
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#87251 - 11/24/03 06:00 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hundreds we recieve) (ie: How would you answer this?) [Re: Bryan]
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No more emails of the week?

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#87252 - 01/09/04 09:23 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Email #3 [Re: NewLove]
Bryan Offline


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I should start this by explaining a difficult time I had. I have had many drug-related problems, but the worst situations that I found myself in were accompanied with ectasy. I will be completely honest with you, and only because I don't know you personally. Now besides dropping out of high school and quitting my job many other things have happend to me. When I began taking the drug I was taking "blue eyes," blue crumbly pills with exclamation points on them. I couldn't find those on your site and I heard many rumors saying they were half cough suppresent and half mdma, but who knows. Longer down the line I met the dealer personally, who was sexually attracted to me. His girlfriend, one of my close friends, called me and told me to come down. She went upstairs and had sex with him and then left his house leaving me there. Him and his friend were telling me that that had "power" and that they saw a look in my eyes and knew how badly I wanted the drugs they had and how horny that made them. I agreed to meet them that night after work. From there I did exctasy or whatever was in the pills. I began taking "omegas" hearing rumors that they were pure crystal meth. Some people said that some of the pills had heroin, cocaine, and worst in my eyes, PCP. All the while I was going around with the dealer, buying drugs off him, sometimes getting free ones, becoming his bitch. But for a while I refused to sleep with him. Eventually it got that I did sleep with him. Things were getting worse and worse. I dropped out of school in early September. I quit my job right before my birthday. For my birthday I got a lot of money and just kept doing the drug over and over. I couldn't handle myself not on the drug. It felt too good to be secure, and the center of attention, and always smiling and getting smiles back. I started to do it everyday, but it was losing it's effect. Finally after about a week strait I broke down and bought quite a few and hung out with a guy with the goal to finish them all by sunday when I would be moving away to quit the drugs. I did quit that weekend, but not because of willpower but because of what happened to me. The rumor goes that that guy slipped me lunes of "angel dust" while I thought I was snorting the exctasy I had bought. I blacked out for awhile, sort of like I was sleeping but I don't know as though I was. And the worst part is that I think he raped me, but I really do not know. He explains the night as though he has a huge blackout and can't remember it yet he has slipped and said memories from the time he "cant remember." I freaked out finally went to the hospital almost 24 hours since the last time I had snorted anything. I was still crying and hallucinating and screaming that I had been molested. I remember being molested. It's a different part that is foggy when I may or may not have been raped. I haven't done the drug since and will probably never go back.
However, this has led me to where I wanted to be. Where you explain the effects of ectasy, you state clearly: "...Even at the peak of the effect, people can usually deal with important matters." This is a lie!!!! Is the question nagging in your head "should I have sex with so and so or not?" is that not an important matter? Why don't you add that to your report. It is a well known fact that many people become attracted or feel that they may love or strongly care about someone that they hardly know. Or somebody like me old drug dealer. I am willing to admit that I am the cause of my actions, I choose to or not to. However, on such a drug, as with many other drugs, your mind is somewhere else. A decision that feels so right while on the drug could destroy you as you come down. Also, had I not began taking that drug I would not have dropped out of school. I admit that I made the choice myself, however my choice was affected mainly by my frequent usage of the drug.
When you are at the peak of an ectasy high, you don't feel like yourself. You don't act like yourself. Therefore, the choices you make are made from a high version of you, not the logical sober self. Everything seems okay while on the drug, so you're choices don't seem to matter. I found myself only wanting the dealer when I was on drugs, and crying all the time when I wasn't on the drugs. And always being treated like shit all the time.
If at the peak of the drug, people could deal with important matters, then they would deal with the biggest matter of them all. Why am I taking this drug. And then they would do something about it. I don't like knowing that I wasn't the only girl my old dealer did that too. And there are many people out there like him. People should just stay away from those drugs, especially young girls like me. It's because of the drug my choices were inhibited.

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#87253 - 01/09/04 10:34 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Email #3 [Re: Bryan]
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I have two options I can reply to this in a positive harm reduction format, which is indeed the point and purpose of this thread in the first place, but I also have this thought the entire time while reading things like that that make me wanna yell at the person for being so stupid and call it natural selection.

Why is it big news to people that when you abuse a lot of drugs, and use them in horribly irresponsible ways, and make horrible choices about who to be around etc, that they don't think fucked up shit will happen. You could replace a lot of that with alcohol, I mean shit. If she is hanging around someone who is the type of person to have a girlfriend and also try to get into her pants etc, then wtf was she thinking would happen. Blame the drug my ass. She seemes to have made many many decisions while not on the drug that directly effected and related to what hapepend later when she decided to go all out and kill her fucking body.

How is it that people get into their minds that drugs are not a serious business? Where in peoples minds do they think it is ok to take massive assloads of any one chemical at any given time won't fuck with them, mentally, emotionally etc. How can a person thing taking something in that frequency won't lead to problems man, its just stupid.

GIGO Garbage in, garbage out. I have little sympathy for these people what so ever, and don't want to save them. Maybe thats why I won't ever be able to like officially be with this organization or something, just because my values don't reflect the mission, and thats understandable, but damn. I think if all these people are stupid enough to use that much all of the time, let them. I don't care if little sally thinks its ok to use a bunch of e without testing her pills, because come fucking on. It is a drug, it alters the way your brain functions, even if for only small periods of time.

You might ask if I didn't know what I did and was using if I would want someone to help me out of doing something stupid, and the answer is yes... to a degree. If I was anything like the person above, I would say let me die, slowly and painfully if need be, because I dunno about anyone else, but I am seriously getting sick of the general public, and how fucking retarded everyone is. Do I use common sense all the time? No. But if I fuck myself over, its no big deal, I have to cut my losses, try to go on. I mean it isn't like it is acceptable for some random person to to a bunch of lab tests in a lab with equipment they have never seen or heard or or ever read about to a working knowledge. Drugs are no different to me. If someone is stupid enough to think they can work in a lab without any schooling and they accidentally fuck themselves up with either random chemicals or the equipment, I am glad a hell that the person won't breed, because all this keeping the stupid people alive so they can reproduce in droves (because thats all it seems they can do), if really stupid to me, and thats how people like george bush exist, stupid people breed, and generatiosn upon generations down the line, people suffer.

Anyways thats my rant for now.
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#87254 - 02/02/04 04:27 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hundreds we recieve) (ie: How would you answer this?) [Re: Bryan]
Tailz Offline
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Yo dude, if your raving at a disco, you REALLY need someone from this board to help you.

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#87255 - 02/21/04 11:28 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hundreds we recieve) (ie: How would you answer this?) [Re: Tailz]
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Yo dude, if your raving at a disco, you REALLY need someone from this board to help you.




what???
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#87256 - 07/07/04 11:28 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hundreds we recieve) (ie: How would you answer this?) [Re: Bryan]
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----- Original Message -----
From: Name Witheld
To: )my addy{dancesafe.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: "Just Say NO" to Sex Ed?


"If the government STILL can't even accept a truth as simple as "everyone has sex"..." -Bryan Oley

when did that happen? I'm a senior in High School and I know plenty of people who abstain from sex, and not all is because of a "conscious choice not to".
In the 1800's we didnt have condoms or anything of that matter, we knew nothing of STD's, but ironically kids my age didnt have sex, they waited until they were married. It worked then why not now? Most kids that grow up now don't have the thought of abstinence in their minds. Their parents did it, everyone around them did it. They need to know that there is another option.
However, I do think there should be mention of STD's and condoms, slightly, dont lie about them, say what they do, but do not have it be the main focus. Where I went to school they had demonstrations on how to use a condom, that was absolutely not needed. The focus point needs to be abstinence. This country is going down hill, if you havn't noticed. Obviously what we're doing now isn't the answer, there's no harm in trying somthing new.

Feel free to email me back with information you have, i'm really interested in this topic.

and just to make my point again, there are those of us out there who do not have sex.

-Name Witheld



Hi Name Witheld,

First off, thank you for your response.

Secondly, to clarify, in the context I was speaking in. I was attempting to make a point using a general, sweeping, statement. Obviously I am aware that many people choose abstinence, and in all honesty, I am completely ok with that. In fact, I applaud it when I see someone holding to abstinence for the right reasons. There in lies the point. A majority of the people I have spoken too, as well as those who have contacted me, state that while they choose abstinence because of their own strongly held beleifs, many of their friends do it simply because they are told it is the "Right" thing to do, its the moral thing to do.. etc and so forth. While those in and of themselves are good reasons *if* you, yourself deem them to be, I heartily disagree with the ideas and reasons being force fed to youth with the mantra that it is the *only* way. I am sure you are well aware that peer pressure does exist, and unfortunately, this tactic is widely used in situations like this to make many teens and young adults feel persecuted if they wish to learn more about what is, essentially, a completely normal biological process that has existed for time unknown.

As you have stated, new things need to be tried. The message of "Just Say No" on any subject is not only a fairly innefective way of dealing with potentially harmful situations and activities, it borders on the criminal for ignoring any kind of information at all, whether good *or* bad.

To address your comments about the 1800's, I must admit that history does in fact indicate a number of reasons why children did this.

A) Puritanical, Religious, and otherwise "Moral" considerations kept many children in fear that sex before marriage would send them to an early hell if not make them completely shunned by society, their friends and family, and the church in dishonor if they were found out. (Yet many still did, even despite that) While the original intent of this was to keep children from having children, it tended to get far out of hand in its "righteousness".

B) Many children married at a *much* earlier age than we do now. And until they were married, they stayed with the parents, and seldom had enough time outside of chores and work (on the farm, factory etc) to pursue sex, or much think of it outside that. The early 1900's brought about the end to children working in most establishments.. hence the more free time they had.

C) When the US came into the late 40's early 50's.. the cost of living started becoming so high that many families were forced to have both parents work to supply the family with what it needed. This in turn started forcing families to spend less time together, weakening the bond and trust between them. This also allowed teens and young adults much more time away from supervision and any kind of punishment for anything they did wrong. If you remember, it was in the late 40's, early 50's that movies such as "Rebel Without a Cause" and others like it came out,. depicting the slow change of society towards a more lenient, less rigid, and actively more potentially dangerous social acceptibility structure.

I honestly believe the last one is what has caused most of the lack of tradition and teaching in the country from parent to child.

However, because of these reasons, it is also now impossible to "treat" the problem with old fashioned remedies. No longer can the threat of shame or dishonor keep teens and young adults from experimenting constantly and exploring the world. I guess in the end, this is why things like DanceSafe are needed.

To wrap up this email, I am not against abstinence. Just like I am not against people keeping clean from drugs and harmful activites. Humanity has always had the underlying credo, "Do what you will, as long as you do not hurt anyone else in the process" This is reflected in laws set around the world.. I do not condone, I do not condemn. I simply teach.

In my humble opinion, when the goverment steps in to force people to do, or in many cases, *not* do with their bodies, life, and safety, it only makes the problem of extreme issues occurring that much worse. The natural inclination for youth is to rebel against their elders.. it is the way humanity has been since the dawn of time. Education is much better. Because in the end, no law, no sex ed or abstinence class can make the final decision for you, that is completely up to the individual. And without information, all you are left with is vauge rumours from other people.

And what would you rather have .. someone educated on the pro's and con's of what they are considering? Or someone who has nothing more than vauge, unsubstantiated rumours heard from friends.. and a firm "Just Say No, but even if you say Yes, we are not going to tell you anything, because we dont think you could handle the information" from everyone else?

Sorry for the small rant, its an issue in general Im passionate about. It bothers me to know things like, back in the 80's. the massive spread of AIDS could have been slowed and tempered had the goverment took another stance other than "Just say No". Instead, now, 10's of thousands die a year from it...

While Ryan White did not contract aids from Sex, take a look at what could have been prevented with information, rather than scare tacticts and rumours.. I only bring this topic up because it is a prime example of why rumours and scare tactits never help a situation.

http://teacherlink.ed.usu.edu/tlresources/units/champions/RyanWhite.pdf

Anyways, thanks again for writing,

Take Care and Be Safe!

Bryan Oley
Board President
DanceSafe

"Because what you don't know, CAN hurt you"

PS: I admire the strength of character it takes to remain abstinent, peer pressure walks a two way street. Bravo. I tip my hat to you.

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#87257 - 05/04/05 03:47 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hundreds we recieve) (ie: How would you answer this?) [Re: Bryan]
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Will you be starting this email of the week post again?
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#87258 - 05/07/05 05:27 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hundreds we recieve) (ie: How would you answer this?) [Re: Purple_Princess]
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When is the question of the week posted and when is the last answer accepted?
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#87259 - 05/15/05 02:49 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hun [Re: Paladin]
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Quote:



Will you be doing this again?






Never had a huge response to it.. so I sloughed off.

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When is the last response accepted?






No limit.

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#87260 - 05/15/05 04:06 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hun [Re: Bryan]
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Bryan, i would love to see something like this weekly, I do however have a suggestion. By the time the end of the week is here I am brain dead. If you posted a shorter E-mail say on Monday and let people answer till Sunday then annonce the winner when you post the new e-mai on monday.


just a suggestion that I think will work

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#87261 - 07/11/05 03:31 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hun [Re: Bryan]
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From: ashley <@yahoo.com>
Date: July 8, 2005 10:16:13 PM PDT
To: equestions * dancesafe.org
Subject: pregnant ecstasy use




the reason i was writing is cuz my friend recently found out she is pregnant but she had used ecstasy twice before she found out and the last time she used was a couple days before she found out that she was for sure pregnant. what could be the side effects of this drug on the baby.
please please please write back soon.
ashley



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Hi Ashley,

While I could give you examples and opinions on what I think on the issue, the best thing I can honestly say to you is this.

There are so many varied and differing things that go on and that can affect pregnancies, that to say "She should be ok" would be a simple but possibly misleading statement.

There are risks of chemical or medical issues that were around before the pregnancy being exasperated by the use of Ecstasy causing complications. There may be other medical issues that this person has that may cause complications all on their own.

So, while there may not be much risk of complications if you just look at the "She took ecstasy a couple of times" aspect of things, something may come up from the mixture of Ecstasy and say... Endometriosis.

So to give the short answer, I can't say "she will be totally fine"... .

Long answer? Make sure she gets her regular checkups and doctor visits during her pregnancy, follow all the standard do's and don'ts, and stop all drug use for the remaining time. If complications arise, or if she feels comfortable enough with her physician, advise them of the fact that they used a few times before knowing of the pregnancy. The worst that should happen is the doctor understands everything in case complications should arise.

If she doesn't feel comfortable with her regular doctor, have her go to planned parenthood or your local family planning clinic (you can usually find a list at www.plannedparenthood.org). They will be able to get her what she needs to have as far as an unbiased opinion and advice on what she can do if complications arise.


Here is an excellent bit of information from Alexander Shulgin, who is by far one of the top minds associated with the effects and issues surrounding drug use as it applies to regular life.

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/pregnancy.htm

Good luck, and be safe.

Bryan Oley
Board President
DanceSafe
bryan * dancesafe.org

"Because what you don't know CAN hurt you"

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#87262 - 07/12/05 12:04 AM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week (Every Week I will post 1 email for you all to answer out of the hun [Re: Bryan]
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There have been several studies that found an increase in the rate of birth defects among women that used 'ecstasy' (and other drugs) during pregnancy. The odds are that the baby hasn't been harmed...yet. That may change if she doesn't stop using drugs immediately, including alcohol and tobacco. (Crack babies are lucky compared to what heavy drinking can do to a fetus.)
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#87263 - 10/11/05 08:26 PM Re: DanceSafe Email of the Week Post #1 [Re: Bryan]
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Dear Sir,

I'm not much about drugs but when i go to the disco i like having a great time; with the help of your web site i realised last summer i took half a pill wich contained DXM instead of MDMA; it is that pink noname pill; what happens is i do not want to take any drug that generates physical or any pshyhical dependence; i'm really concerned about that. I've taken a pill recently that has a face on it; some say it's a pokemon face; is that real extasy or is it just some other type of drug that is to fool the consumers? i'd rather i quit doing any E instead of messing up and running into fake drugs wich can have a majour impact on my psychic; since i read much of what is written within your web site i am now really concerned and scared of taking any other drugs than extasy by mistake.
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So far I'd say that your fears are completely normal - experimenting with any drugs is, as it seems you have learned, going to have some guesswork in it.

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I only did it a couple of times; the first time, as i told u, i think i took half a fake extasy pill (one of those pink ones) and i did not feel like moveing at all; the second time it was great i danced all night i felt great, everything was excellent ; i was really concious and aware of the things arround me and what i was feelin like was excellent; i am only concerned about the fact i felt nothing for the first 15-20 mins after taking the pill; is that natural?
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Yes, it can take up to an hour. Sometimes it doesn't even come on at all, but that is rare.

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how can i avoid taking fake pills and what is it that i should feel like when being on E?
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My tried and true method is to get from a trusted source, with a 1st person account - to put it simply, get it from a friend that has tried some of what he's holding and will personally vouch for it's authenticity and effectiveness. The drawback to this is that sometimes your friends may try to unload weak pills because they don't want to get stuck with them, but again it's a little faith and a LOT of trust.


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Could i get like a website in order to see how the fake pills look like? I guess you are specialists in what concerns the use and risks of using drugs, aren't you?
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www.ecstasydata.org, dancesafe.org, and erowid are great places to learn, but beware copycats. A good feedback report on a specific pill will be a copycat target to unscrupulous manufacturers.
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#87264 - 03/14/07 04:23 PM Email of the Week Post #4 [Re: 5HPlus]
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Got another one for you all!

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Hi, I have just been looking on yours and wikipedia's website and thought I'd email about my ecstasy use. I was wondering if you could shed any light upon why I don't seem to ever 'come up' whilst using this drug. When taking it I have never felt the head rushes or rushes of exhilaration that my friends experience as they 'come up' about 30 minutes after taking the drug. It is not that I am not affected at all by the drug, depending on how many I take I can be awake, dancing and feeling pretty mashed but never have these rushes or feelings of happiness and exhileration, and this state just generally creeps up on me without me realising until I'm in its midst. I don't think its because I'm too drunk either - some people say I just might not notice it but I know it is meant to be a marked difference - because I have never experienced these feelings and my drink intake varies each time. I used to take sertraline however, on two lengthy occasions, and understand that this can block the uptake of serotonin in the brain but have been off this for about 6/7 months now so would assume it was well and truly out of my system. Is it possible for this drug to have well and truly inhibited my mind forever?! I can't understand how 'ecstasy' would not make me feel what everyone else does! Can you shed any light?

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#204402 - 03/23/10 08:30 AM Re: Email of the Week Post #4 [Re: Bryan]
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I would reply...

Everybodies brain is different. Some people react differently to ecstasy. Some get real speedy, some just wanna chill, some get mushy.

Why does it matter if you have a come up? If you get the peak effect than mission accomplished.

If your not getting a significant effect, you may need a higher dosage. If what you take is making you feel bad at higher doses, maybe it's not MDMA. If you have had the pills tested and still feel bad or minimal, maybe ecstasy isn't the drug for you.

I don't in any way encourage the use of ecstasy or any drug, but if you do them, this is my opinion on your problem.

Science research could be : Metabolism enzyme differences, brain chemistry, medications and diet.
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